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 New York Marathon Registration opened today
Bricks
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Chicago
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New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:14 pm 

Just an FYI:

http://www.nycmarathon.org/entrantinfo/applyfor2005.html


sfird
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Long Island, NY
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Posts: 80

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:56 am 

Thanks for the heads up. I just submitted my application. I can't believe I have to keep my fingers crossed until June!

Rickshaw
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
San Francisco, CA
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 1157

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:58 pm 

Do you know how difficult it is to get in through the lottery? What are your chances of being selected, roughly?

Bricks
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Chicago
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Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:13 pm 

I heard last year that it was one in three, but the website says it was 50/50:

"Lottery Applications
Lottery applications from individuals with a U.S. address will be accepted until midnight on June 1, 2005. International lottery applications will be accepted until midnight on May 1, 2005.

Because the number of applicants exceeds the space available, we will not be able to accept all applicants. The majority of U.S. entrants, including athletes with disabilities, will be selected in a random lottery drawing in mid-June 2005. Most international entrants come through tour operators, so only a portion (including athletes with disabilities) will be selected through a lottery drawing in mid-May. In 2004, nearly 50% of lottery applications were accepted."


mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
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Posts: 367

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:19 pm 

The first year I planned to run a Marathon I entered the lottery and didn't get picked (I ran Philadelphia instead). The next year I tried the lottery again and did get picked. Does that count as 50/50. Since then I qualify by maintaining my membership in the NYRRC and running 9 qualifying races in the preceding year.

OldManRunner
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
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Posts: 262

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:35 pm 

I tried in two consecutive years to get in (before I ever ran my first marathon...I was searching for motivation in the form of getting into the race), and didn't make it either time. Of course, I've since learned that if you remember to save your registration numbers or whatever that you're guaranteed acceptance the 2nd year if you don't get selected in the lottery the 1st year.

In retrospect, though, I'm glad that NYC wasn't my first marathon, because I think it might have been a disappointing experience. Too crowded, to expensive, etc. My "first time" was a very small nearby race, with essentially no crowding after the first quarter mile. A very positive experience.


mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
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Posts: 367

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:54 pm 

Actually, you're guarenteed entry only if you haven't been picked in the previous three lotteries. So, start applying now.and if you don't get in you're guarenteed the fourth year; perhaps just in time when you're really ready to run a major marathon.

If you're a first time marathoner and you feel you could use the excitement and crowd support of a big race to make it through....not necessarily for a PR, then NYC is definitely a good first marathon to shoot for. NYC is a good marathon for a PR if you've already run previous marathons with a time time good enough to get yourself seeded in a coral that will put you near the starting line (a bib number below 10000); all for the same reasons...the excitement and crowd support of a big race. I ran with a bib number 8049 this past year with a previous marathon (NYC) net time of 3:31. I managed to "slip" a bit closer as we moved to the starting line. I crossed the start line about 45 seconds after the gun went off.


OldManRunner
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
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Posts: 262

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:02 pm 

Four years! Yikes! I am glad to hear about the formal seeding system, a la Boston, though. I didn't realize that NYC did that as well. It makes running NYC a far more attractive opportunity for me at some point down the road (assuming I can ever get in! I don't think I'll ever be running that 3:00:00 automatic qualifying time!).

mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 367

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:53 pm 

It makes sense to seed runners according to previous/expect finish times at big races. The idea is to keep the faster runners in front of the slower runners. All of the races that NYRRC put on have signs posted with expected pace times and they ask that you line up according to your pace. They really harp on it a bit as they line people up. Of course, it's not strictly enforced so you can still line up anywhere you want.

I'm always annoyed when I line up behind several hundred other people and I'm continuously passing walkers and very slow runners even out to the half mile mark. These people have no intention of keeping a pace faster than where I lined up and yet they started near the front and ignored the pre-race announcments to line up according to your pace. This behavior is very dangerous to the runners who have to navigate around them and risk tripping themselves or someone else. I've found this to be a problem even in a local 5K with only a couple hundred runners. I think this ranks near the top of the list of poor racing etiquette.


OldManRunner
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
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Posts: 262

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:50 pm 

Oh yeah, I think you'd find "slow runners/walkers starting at the front" ranks at the top of the pet peeve list for nearly all runners who are trying to improve their times, and not just there for the social event. It's funny, at smaller races - say 300 or fewer runners - I usually find myself lining up about two rows behind the "fast folks" on the front line. It kind of freaks me out to be so close to the front, because I don't think of myself as a particularly fast runner. But given the number of people who are there to run the race as a social event, I usually finish at about the 10th percentile, and assuming 10 or 12 people across the width of a starting line, 3 rows back in a 300 person race is the 10th percentile. I usually finish among the same folks I started with, and if many people pass me during the race then I feel guilty for having lined up too close to the front. Now, why don't those walkers feel guilty, too?

Rickshaw
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
San Francisco, CA
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Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:07 pm 

I'd say that many of the slower folks or walkers who line up too far to the front are doing it intentionally. At least that's what I'd guess from many starting line conversations I've overhead. They're worried about people even slower than them lining up too far forward and slowing them down, so they move up a bit to compensate. Of course the problem just snowballs from there. Even having clearly marked signs with a predicted pace or finish time doesn't seem to help too much.

Pretender
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Kansas, OK
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Posts: 100

Re: New York Marathon Registration opened today Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:35 pm 

There was a snippet in the latest Runner's World that mentioned two world class marathoners (don't ask me their names!) who accidently lined up at the very back of the pack to begin the Berlin Marathon. They supposedly passed over 10,000 people and they both finished something like 25th and 26th place overall. OK, they probably didn't place where they wanted, but I bet they kinda had fun zooming past all of those people! I'm sure they will never make that mistake again.

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